GETTIN’ OFF 4WD Off-Road Club – July 14 2015 MEETING MINUTES

We meet monthly, every 2nd Tuesday in the patio area at Antonella’s Ristorante, 1701 Park Avenue, San Jose , CA 95126 (408) 279-4922. Park on Naglee Ave or in the parking lot across from the restaurant.

Meeting minutes are distributed a few days after each club meeting.

7:00 PM – BUFFET DINNER: Salad, Pasta, Pizza, Bread & Soft drinks($10). Attendees are encouraged to enjoy the buffet dinner or order from the menu. This helps Antonella’s recover the cost of using the patio area. 

7:30 PM  – Meeting starts

Your secretary arrived about 8 pm due to an 7:30pm SJ Earthquakes game at Avaya Stadium on Coleman Ave & 880. Sat in stop-n-go traffic on Coleman for nearly 30 minutes.

Looking ahead, will check if any more games are held on 2nd Tuesdays. So Albert took minutes for the first half. When we receive his notes they will be published Thank you Albert !


President – Terry: Welcomed members & guests.Also suggested someone should try the Twin Peaks trail in South Tahoe near Sawmill Pond, adopted by Tahoe Hi-Lo. Runners.

Vice President – Brian: Spoke in detail about about the Deer Valley run.

Treasurer – Don: Report about ____. Only a few members have not paid up  yet.  If paying by mail, it’s: Gettin’ Off 4×4,  attn: Don West, PO Box 314, Felton CA  95018

Secretary – Paul:  Noted that Eldorado National Forest published a new status report on the 42 Routes ( see ‘Saving Our Trails’ below).

Members Attending –  Aaron, Alicia, Brian, Chris, Don, Gary, Jon, Joe, Lyle, Mario, Paul E, Paul H, Rahul, Randy, Roger, Ron, Steve, Terry, Tom K.

Brand New Members this month –  Michael  & Chris have fulfilled the 2-Run  3-Meeting attendance rule, and votes were taken, so — Welcome aboard gentlemen !!

Guests Attending –  Jimmy.

       (If I missed you or anyone else who attended please let  me know.)


1) Club web page needs updates & maintenance. Eric looking into problem with editing. Also some are not getting emails from our Yahoo Groups server (Chris W for example).

2) Don will be ordering more T-shirts for our newest members, and anyone who wants to buy one. Terry & Don just found a new, suitable T-shirt vendor.

3) A updated membership list has been created; certain new members my be asked for more info such as email, phone, vehicle type & color.

4) Fire Permits are needed for any fire or stove used outside of improved campgrounds in National Forest or BLM areas, when allowed. As of July 1, many of the Forests in Calif have banned any type of open fire, so fire permits are of limited necessity. Brian suggests using  to get one if needed.

5) Terry was contacted by an auto parts distributor for discounted parts for club members.


1) Aaron – Lots & lots of stuff- to be updated.

2) Chris – new powder coat & bead-protectors rims on wheels

3) Terry – his new SUV got hit by crazy driver on  on-ramp; but nice job by body shop, looks brand new.

4) tba….


1) Jun 25, 26, 27  Slick Rock (& Deer Valley?) (was Rubicon). This was an  a overnight camping run.  About 4-5 participants. Drove up Thursday, hit the trail early Friday morning & finish on Sat afternoon.  Brian was trail boss. Heard that all sorts of stuff — good and not so great — occurred on the trail; more info pending.

2) July 4  weekend – Michael and buddies went camping up Hwy 4, Matley Ridge and Salt Springs Reservoir.


3) POSTPONED to July – 24 & 25  Gold Lake & Snake Lake. Postponed so more could participate.  Overnight run, near Hwy 49, kinda centered between Downieville, Graeagle and Sierraville. Info at:   and Essentially a new route for most of us, should be good ! Rated “Difficult” but not like Rubicon or Fordyce, perhaps more like our Adpot-a-Trial.. It was noticed that the Diablo 4Wheelers ran the trail on the 17th & 18th.  Updates coming next week. Needs a Trail Boss — anyone been there before?

4) August 11 – Club Meeting.

5) August 14,15,16  BBQ Run. Back to  Bear Valley Loop Trail. We will run less of the 20+ mile trail this time, avoiding most of the manzanita groves, but prepare for a little brush rash anyway. This is a moderately difficult route overall, with a few bypasses, so  all rigs are welcome. There is a really nice campground for groups, and we’ll have a evening run to a nearby mountain top for a gorgeous view. This year we’ll have a brand new sign-up list, showing all the BBQ equipment, food, cooking & clean-up responsibilities. A tow is needed to haul the BBQ trailer (~1200 lbs) up Hwy 80 & Back. —This person eats steak or ? dinner for free.  BBQ run is $10 per person, little kids free.  To participate in the evening Door Prize “competition”,  each attendee brings their own 4×4, automotive, or outdoor-related gift worth $10-$20.

To Sign-Up for the BBQ Run this year,  please go to:   (I think Paul H offered to tow the BBQ trailer there & back, so he gets the free meal !)

6) Sept. 8 – Club Meeting

6) Sept 12 – Deer Valley.  We’ll run the trail on Saturday, and you can stay Sat night at Terry’s new place in South Tahoe off Hwy 89. Hwy 4 Protocol (just like the Adopt-A-Trail run). 33″+ tires & 1 locker recommended. 

7) October 17 or 24 –  Sourgrass Adopt-A-Trail run. 

8) November 25- 29- Death Valley / Panamint or somewhere else in the desert run (Calico Hills & area?).

9) December –  Toys for Tots & Christmas dinner.  

       Summer season note: It is possible certain National Forests may “close” mid-to-late summer due to fire hazard.

8:30 PM – Meeting adjourns.

If there are any corrections, clarifications or updates, please chime-in.  If you are an active member your name should be on this list:

Aaron, Alicia, Brad, Brian, Chris W, Chris ?, Dimas, Don, Eric, Gary, Genna, Jon, Joe, Lyle, Marco, Mario, Matt, Michael, Paul E, Paul H, Rahul, Randy, Roger, Ron, Steve, Terry, Tom K, Tom W.



Updates and New info in BOLD type. If you have new information feel free to send out an update. Though some are several months old, they are still active projects waiting for an outcome or completion.

Recent Actions

 Here’s the latest on our cherished yet closed Eldorado trails, direct from Jeff Blewett, Cal4 Wheel’s Natural Resource Consultant for No. Calif.. Cal4 appears overly optimistic , while ENF has just published its own status.

  • Deer/Clover Valley- cal4: “late summer” ENF: “Fall 2016 or Summer 2016”
  • Pardoe’s/Squaw Ridge(‘Squaw’ renamed ‘Hungaleti Ridge Trail’)  Cal4: “by the FS it is open”; ENF “mitigation work starts Fall 2016 or Summer 2016.
  • Strawberry Ridge- Cal4: “Summer 2016”;  ENF “Summer 2017”
  • Barrett Lake- Cal4: “should be open late summer. Trail repairs and reroute will be finished this month by the HiLanders”; ENF: “work starts on Meadow 1 in July 2015; meadows 5 & 6 completed”

ENF’s overall route status is at : 

Finally a June 2015 update on the 42 Routes initially closed is at:

Many lessor-known routes are re-opened, but the best remain closed. Some of the route status in this update appear to be in conflict with Cal4’s assessments: 

There are apparently no “public” links from the ENF Home webpage to the 42 Route Project web page, but it’s at:

Some of you are familiar with the Carnegie State Vehicle Recreation Area near Livermore. It has been controversial from a “greenie/enviro” perspective. There have been attempts in the past to close it, but the riding public, CORVA, local Carnegie groups, and the Calif Dept of Parks-OHV Div have persisted and kept it open. A few years ago a new 4×4 obstacle course was created. Right now, they plan to open up a new area, adding about 3000 acres, with dozens of miles of new trails for motorcycles and 4x4s added to the existing 900 acres.  There was a city council meeting in Livermore to take and advisory (non-binding) vote on wheather the city of Livermore supports  the Carnegie expansion or not. I sent my comments days earlier to the entire Livermore City coucil (however Livermore residents carry much more “sway”). Three voted against the expansion and only 2 voted in favor.  CORVA created an entire web page for the Carnagie/Tesla SVRA expansion, which is chalk full of great resources and information: . BRC’s Don Amador has a blog  too: . Dan A, Cal4 & CORVA also asked us also to contact the Alameda County Board of Supervisors to vote in favor of the expansion and the Draft Environmental Impact Statement contracted out by the Calif Dept of Park, OHV Divsion. I did. The county supervisors voted 100% against the DEIS and expansion of Carnegie SVRA on an advisory vote.  It’s hard to know if this will be litigated, but it is moving that direction. In part these negative votes by Liver more & Alameda Couty, were promulgated by the East Bay Regional Park District, who set up a false public expectation that this land could be acquired by them and converted to another regional (non-motorized) park.  EPRPD has 120,000 park acres in Alameda & Contra Costa Cos, whereas motorized parks are now only 900 acres, to be 3900 acres we hope. The SVRA owns the land, purchased by money from the OHV Trust fund, which comes from a tiny fraction of gasoline taxes and green/yellow sticker fees. 

Anti-Access Organizations sampler:

1. CSNC is the group that sued Eldorado National Forest and successfully convinced a judge to force ENF to close and/or repair trails. One of CSNC’s primary goals is to limit OHV. Website While we generally have no issue repairing or re-routing routes around what have recently been identified as ‘sensitive’ areas, there was no need to close the entire lengths of all 42 routes for 2, 3 years or more. Many have re-opened, but many remain closed to public access. 

2. CBD is one  of the most notorious and powerful anti-access organizations. They often tend to lump motorized recreation access in with all forms of habitat  interference, even though 99% of OHV use causes very little or virtually zero affect on animal habitat & popluation. Sample: “… cumulative threats from our changing climate, predation, drought, disease, and off-road recreation; and other threats all support an endangered listing….” re:   and  It’s very interesting they almost never mention other causes of habitat interferences such as: hiking, backpacking, mountain biking, camping, hunting, wildfires, highways, fences, etc. But apparently off-road recreation is “equal” with climate change, predation, drought & disease! CBD are also well known for launching a plethora of  lawsuits, using the “Sue & Settle” tactic, thus taking millions of taxpayer dollars from the Forest Service & BLM to pay their attorneys:  and

3. Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER) and

Older Actions

 Moab: (for details  see previous Saving Our Trails) and  &

 Plumas National Forest lawsuit. (for details  see previous Saving Our Trails and go to  and 

  Deer Valley Route closures from Jan to July 31 due to Yosemite Toad (see previous Saving Our Trails and latest Eldorado 42 Routes closure news above)  &

 Oceano Dunes “air pollution” (for details  see previous Saving Our Trails)  and: and .

 If you shop at, they have a charity giving program where they contribute a 0.5% of your purchase amounts to one of thousands of charities. But on their dime ! One of the qualifying charities is Blue Ribbon Coalition, as they are a 501(c)(3) organization. It costs you virtually zero $. So how do you sign up?

1) Sign-in to your Amazon account.

2) On another tab/window, Go to to read how it works. 

3) There, click on, and you will see some info and a short list of various charities. To donate to BRC, enter “BlueRibbon Coalition” exactly as shown here, in the search box. The results should show “Blueribbon Coalition Inc” and “Categories: Natural Resource Conservation and Protection” and “Location: Pocatello, ID”. (careful–there are dozens of other ‘Blue Ribbon xxxx’ charities out there, be sure you have the right one.)

4) Click OK to sign-up, and BRC will receive 0.5% of your purchase amounts. To automatically donate, always shop at the “Smile” web address: at   (if you use Amazon’s normal web address, no donations are made). Your cost is zero and you can change charities or cancel anytime.

 There are dozens of other, mostly irrational public land closures in the works by the enviro-left/elitists, so we encourage everyone to check  Blue Ribbon, and Pirate4x4 websites for the latest access news, and contact the land managers and/or government officials and tell them public land is for everyone.

 Paul E, Club Secretary


GETTIN’ OFF 4X4 Off-Road Club – June 11 Meeting Minutes

2012-2013 Officers: President: Terry, VP: Brian B, Treasurer: Don, Secretary: Paul E.

Meeting Time & Location: Every 2nd Tuesday at 7, Antonella’s Ristorante, 1701 Park Avenue, San Jose , CA 95126 (408) 279-4922. 
7:00 Buffet Dinner $10: Salad, Pasta, Pizza, Bread, Soft drinks. To help Antonella’s cover the cost of hosting our meeting in the patio dining area, members are encouraged to enjoy the buffet dinner or order from the menu. 

7:30 Meeting Start


President –  Terry: Dues are Due next month, $60. Terry also asked about Gary’s health status, and it was mentioned he is at home but it is has been tough. He is requiring antibiotics and a wheelchair to move around. Our best thoughts and prayers are with Gary for a solid recovery. Gary we all miss you, and hope to see you soon !
Vice President – Brian: Noted his son Albert has a significant concert coming up. All are invited, and see information in Brian’s email from about 1 week ago.
Treasurer – Don: Noted we have about $X in the account.
Secretary – Paul: (did I say anything important?)
Members Attending – Good turnout: Ron, Roger, Eric, Lyle, Paul H, Paul E, Alicia, Don, Rahul, Aaron, Randy, Brian,
Guests – Matt
1) DUES are DUE: $60/yr ($45 for access advocacy, $15 to club account). Bring check or cash to next meeting.
2) Club member participation points. Terry will bring point chart to net meeting.  Points begin to tally July 1. Idea is to award a point winner once per quarter, and an overall annual winner. Awards may include dinners at Antonella’s, club dues, gift cert’s to Harbor Freight Tools, etc.
3) NEW MEMBER ! Matt has just met the run and meeting attendance requirements, and was voted-in by the membership. Congratulations Matt ! Alicia will add him onto the mail list.
4) Eric updated our web site, and appears in Google searches now. Related: after the meeting we talked about printing business cards to hand out, promoting the club.
1) Paul: Passed smog check with full 33″ tires. I guess that new cat is working good. No issues, except if you use an aftermarket locking gas cap, be sure to engage or click it in the fully locked position before the technician tests it. They leak in the unlocked position. Fortunately I had spare cap on hand.
2) Paul H – Broke front outer axle at Hollister during a simple turn; totally unexpected !
3) Don – new pinion seal installed, was leaking.
4) Matt –  4.7 installed, Marlin Crawler TC, excellent.
RECENT RUNS & ‘Chances to Lock Axles’:
1) May 18 – Hollister Hills. Anyone go? Yes, glad to hear a few were able go – Paul H, Don & Matt. Matt was having traction issues uphill until he discovered it was not in 4WD(oops). A few fender blemishes were added too. Paul had the axle break. Hope all had good time otherwise.
UPCOMING RUNS – New dates!
1) June 15 – Slick Rock. Your trail leaders will be Brian / Paul. Hwy 4 protocol. We have Brian, Paul, Aaron, Ron & Rahul signed up. If time allows afterward we’ll run the Round Valley route, which starts just east of the Bear Valley Ski Area. Meet at 7:30 Arco at Grant Line Rd or  9:15 Burger King in Angels Camp or 11 am Spicer Meadows Rd parking lot off Hwy 4.
2) July 20-21 (new date) – Shaver Lake Area Pre-run for the BBQ in August. We’ll check out access for camping & trailers, and some of the shorter routes up there. A possible place to camp with trailer access is where the Cal4’s High Sierra Poker Run is based, however this is a “primitive” camp (no water; maybe chemical toilets), so we’ll look for a group camp with improved facilities also.
3) Aug (15) 16,17,18 – BBQ Run. Shaver Lake Area. We’ll have a potluck BBQ and prizes for everyone. Camp with the group or motel in the town of Shaver lake. We have not been to Shaver Lake area for a some time; it will be new trails for many of us.
4) September 14: Terry proposed Deer Valley or Barrett Lake. Unfortunately the access to these trials is currently limited or closed, due the anti’s lawsuit against Eldorado Nat Forest. It is possible the status of these routes will change in the next 4-6 weeks, either for the better or worse. (then there’s always Barney Riley !)
5) Early October – Lyle and Randy are hoping to run to Colorado and Moab. Superb wheeling for about one week.
6) November: Adopt-A-Trail in early Nov. and Panamint Valley during & after Thanksgiving.
**Chris W had mentioned he may lead a proper Rubicon Run from Loon Lake this summer (Jeep Jamboree is Aug 8-11. Jeeper’s Jamboree is ?.)**
Meeting adjournment: 8:15 PM. Next meeting: July 9.
Chime-in if I missed something !
Paul E


GETTIN’ OFF 4X4 Off-Road Club – May 14 Meeting Minutes

2012-2013 Officers: President: Terry, VP: Brian B, Treasurer: Don, Secretary: Paul E.
Meeting Time & Location: Every 2nd Tuesday at 7, Antonella’s Ristorante, 1701 Park Avenue, San Jose , CA 95126 (408) 279-4922. 
7:00 Buffet Dinner $10: Salad, Pasta, Pizza, Bread, Soft drinks. To help Antonella’s cover the cost of hosting our meeting in the patio dining area, members are encouraged to enjoy the buffet dinner or order from the menu. 

7:30 Meeting Start


President –  Terry: No special announcements, other than noting Gary had to go to the hospital due to issues with his foot healing properly. Our best wishes and prayers go out to Gary for a full recovery. See you soon, Gary !
Vice President – Brian: Present. Announced his son Albert was accepted with a substantial scholarship into a music major program at ? (sorry Brian, I forgot the name) and will be having an organ and harpsichord recital in El Cerrito very soon. Brian will send an email with all the info, times, etc. Congratulations Albert !
Treasurer – Don:  Brought T-shirt box, for Rahul.
Secretary – Paul: Call to action on the RTP. Email the governor & your local state legislators. Info below.
Members Attending –  Brad, Don, Aaron, Rahul, Brian, Terry, Eric, Roger, Paul, Alicia.
Guests – Matt.
1) Award points for member participation. Chris created a spreadsheet to tally points for club activities attended. Award points will begin to tally July 1. Plans are to award a winner once per quarter, and an overall winner for the year. Awards may include dinners at Antonella’s, club dues, gift cert’s to Harbor Freight Tools, etc.
2) We opened the meeting for any new nominations for club board members for the 2013-2014 term. No new nominations were proposed. A simple aye/nay voice vote was taken to elect those previously nominated, which consisted of the current board. The current board was re-elected.
3) Don gave Rahul his official GO 4×4 Club T-shirt. Ask Don if you would like a club T-shirt and/or patch.
4) Gov Brown just announced his 2013-14 Budget. It proposes to remove California from the nationwide Recreational Trails Program (RTP). Don Amador, who is the Northern Calif. consultant to Cal4 on natural resources, wrote briefly on this, at: Email the governor & your local state legislators to say NO way. I sent emails to Gov Brown and my local representative.
5) Vehicles or 4×4 stuff for sale? Post items at Enter a new Subject line for each listing.
1) Paul E – Heard rattle sound near transfer case when idling. Thought it might be a loose bearing race in the transmission, kinda sounded like it. Holding the muffler with a gloved hand stopped the rattle. Phew! Was actually the cat. conv. coming part inside. I don’t like more rattles than necessary, so had the cat & muffler replaced at Joe’s at Calabazas RV. Contrary to popular lore, the cat itself was only about $160, not too bad. Maybe this will get me off the ‘gross-polluter’ list at smog check time. Each replacement cat now has to be registered with the State Of CA ARB, in triplicate paperwork!
2) Brad – belt issues, but motor running sweet.
3) Rahul – New axle & lockers installed ! Ford 8.8 in rear, D30 up front. ARBs f/r, 4.11 ring & pinion. Ready to rock ! (not roll)
4) Don – Two new “meats” (tires)
5) Eric – (re-?) painting rock rails.
RECENT RUNS & ‘Chances to Lock Axles’:
1) April 20 : Adopt-A-Trail / Sourgrass up Hwy 4. Great turnout on this run ! Work was mostly draining big puddles off the trail surface, not much trimming or litter pick-up needed. Terry invited the Lock and Load club to join us, but none came. There was no snow on the trail, but plenty up the highway at Slick Rock, where some of us went afterward. Kudos to Alane for navigating the TJ over all the trails ! Don camped overnight there and met a few of the Joaquin Jeepers, who are the adopters of Slick Rock trail. Photos:
UPCOMING RUNS – New dates & places announced !
1) May 18 – Hollister Hills. We meet at the obstacle course area at the Upper Ranch about 9 am. Get the upper ranch gate code from the lower main entrance station. Bring a lunch. Don & Matt expressed interest. Do send out an email to the club if you are going !
2) June 15 – Slick Rock or Barney Riley. Your trail leaders will be Brian & Paul, as Terry is booked-out in June. Slick Rock is a full one day trip, while Barney Riley is best as an overnight (June 14-15 or 15-16).
3) July 26-27 or 27-28 – Shaver Lake Area. This is a Pre-run for the BBQ run in August. We’ll check out access for camping & trailers, and some of the shorter routes up there. A good place to camp with trailer access is where the Cal4’s High Sierra Poker Run is based. Our club has not been to Shaver Lake area for a long time.
  • The room pricing at Cal-Neva Lodge turned out to be a bit higher than preferred ($80-$100+). Members thought regular camping would be just fine, per tradition. Shaver Lake does have accommodations too, but they are no cheaper than Cal-Neva Lodge.
  • Unfortunately Deer Valley, Barrett Lake, Strawberry Pass, & most of Pardoe and others remain closed up by Eldorado National Forest. Some trails now closed might re-open for summer 2013)
4) Aug (15) 16,17,18 – BBQ Run. Shaver Lake Area. Campsite & routes to be run are tbd, based on the Pre-Run in July.
  • If you happen to be in the northwest Tahoe area, there are several good trails up there.
  • Chris W had mentioned he may lead a proper Rubicon Run from Loon Lake. Hopefully this still can take place. Jeep Jamboree is Aug 8-11. Jeeper’s Jamboree is ?.
5) September: Lyle and Randy are planning a trip to Colorado and/or Moab. Superb wheeling if you can get about a week off.
6) Early Oct: could swap with the Shaver Lake / Colorado runs.
7) Nov: Adopt-A-Trail. Hwy 4, Sourgrass Route and/or Panamint Valley.
8:30 PM: Meeting adjournment.
Next meeting: June 11.
Chime-in if I missed something !
Paul E

Meeting date change!

No meeting December 11 this year. Our December meeting is now merged in with the Toys for Tots & Holiday Dinner run on December 8. Please contact Terry for more details if intending to visit.
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